- TitleJoy Division interview transcripts
- Reference2019-261/6/3/1
- Production date2018 - 2018
- Savage, JonBiographyBiographyJon Savage is a writer, broadcaster and music journalist known for his cultural commentary on British social history. Born in Paddington, London, on 2 September 1953, Savage graduated from Magdalene College, Cambridge, in 1975, where he read Classics. He started his journalism career writing fanzine articles about British punk and joined Sounds in 1977. At Sounds, Savage interviewed punk, new wave and electronic music artists. Savage left Sounds for Melody Maker in 1979 where he continued to interview artists recording and performing in the punk, new wave and electronic music genres. In 1980, Savage joined the staff of the new pop culture magazine The Face. He developed his writing on pop culture with articles for The Observer and the New Statesman over the next decade. Savage’s journalism, beginning with his appointment at Sounds in 1977, is strongly connected to the Factory Records story. Savage was the first journalist to review Joy Division both live and as recording artists. Since those first reviews, Savage has been involved in documenting the Joy Division and Factory stories through articles in Sounds, Melody Maker, Mojo, and The Observer Music Monthly. He has acted as a consultant on the Matt Greenhalgh documentary film about Joy Division and on the Anton Corbijn dramatisation Control, as well as working with Deborah Curtis on her book Touching From a Distance. In 2019, Savage wrote This Searing Light, the Sun and Everything Else, an oral history of Joy Division. In 1991, Savage wrote England’s Dreaming, charting the rise of punk in the UK and US during the 1970s. The book became the basis for the BBC2 documentary Punk and the Pistols, broadcast in 1995 and subsequently updated with a new introduction in 2001. Savage produced Teenage: The pre-history of youth culture in 2007. This work of cultural commentary provides a history of the concept of teenagers from the 1870s to the 1940s. In the book, Savage dates the beginning of the concept of teenagers to 1945. In 2015, Savage published 1966, a commentary on and social history of the popular music and cultural turmoil of that year. Savage is also known for curating compilations of pop songs, some based on track lists from his publications.
- Scope and ContentTranscripts for interviews carried out by Jon Savage with Deborah Curtis, Martin Hannett, Peter Hook, Stephen & Gillian Morris, Bernard Sumner.
- LanguageEnglish
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- Joy DivisionBiographyBiographyJoy Division began in Salford in 1976. Guitarist Bernard Sumner (also known by the surnames Albrecht and Dicken) and bass player Peter Hook formed the band after attending one of the Sex Pistols gigs at Manchester's Lesser Free Trade Hall in 1976. The day following the gig, Hook borrowed £35 from his mother and bought a bass guitar from Mazel Radio on London Road, Manchester. Sumner already had a guitar. The pair rehearsed in Sumner’s grandparents’ house in Salford, their instruments wired into a gramophone instead of an amplifier. Sumner and Hook formed their first band with schoolfriend Terry Mason on drums. They tried to persuade another schoolfriend, Martin Gresty, to join as vocalist. When he declined, the band placed an advert for a singer in the Manchester branch of Virgin Records. Ian Curtis responded to the advert and was hired without an audition. Sumner, Hook and Mason knew Curtis from attending gigs in Manchester and got on well with him. The band was billed as Stiff Kittens on flyers for their first gig at the Electric Circus in Collyhurst, Manchester. The band was supporting Buzzcocks, and guitarist Pete Shelley and Buzzcocks manager Richard Boon suggested the name. The band changed the name to Warsaw shortly before the gig on 29 May 1977. This was a reference to the David Bowie song ‘Warszawa’ on his album Low. Two days before the gig, Tony Tabac joined Warsaw as drummer, with Terry Mason taking on the role of band manager. A month later, Steve Brotherdale replaced Tabac as drummer. Brotherdale also played in the punk band The Panik. Warsaw recorded five demo tracks at Pennine Sound Studios in Oldham, Lancashire in July 1977. Soon after the sessions, the band fired Brotherdale as drummer. The following month, Warsaw placed an advert for a drummer in Jones’ music shop in Macclesfield. Stephen Morris responded and met up with Curtis at his home. Curtis played Morris the demo tracks and the pair talked about their musical interests and the punk scene in Manchester. Morris joined Warsaw at a rehearsal at the Abraham Moss community centre in Crumpsall, Manchester the following week. Warsaw recorded tracks for a debut EP, An Ideal for Living, at Pennine Sound Studios in December 1977. They played the Swinging Apple in Liverpool on New Year’s Eve 1977, their last gig as Warsaw. A London punk band already had the name Warsaw Pakt and so, to avoid confusion, Warsaw renamed themselves Joy Division. The name came from the novel House of Dolls. Their first gig under the Joy Division name was at Pip’s Disco, Manchester, on 25 January 1978. In March 1978, RCA Records approached Joy Division to record a new wave cover version of a Northern Soul classic, ‘Keep on Keepin’ On’, for a compilation album. In April 1978, Joy Division met TV news reporter and broadcaster Tony Wilson and band manager Rob Gretton at a band contest, the Stiff/Chiswick Challenge, held at Rafters nightclub, Manchester. Gretton was also the house DJ at the nightclub. He was impressed by the band’s performance and offered to be their manager. Wilson was also impressed and, after being challenged by Curtis about why he had not yet put Joy Division onto his music show ‘So It Goes’, promised that they would be the next band he would showcase. Joy Division did not record the cover version for RCA Records. Instead the band recorded an album for RCA at Arrow Studios, Manchester in May 1978. They were not happy with the final mix and asked to be released from the RCA contract. Their debut record was the self-released EP ‘An Ideal for Living’, in June 1978. Tony Wilson’s late night music programme ‘So It Goes’ was cancelled before Joy Division was able to perform on it. In September 1978, the band made its television debut performing ‘Shadowplay’ on ‘What’s On’, Wilson’s music segment in the evening news magazine programme Granada Reports. In October 1978, Joy Division recorded two tracks for the Factory Records double 7-inch EP ‘A Factory Sample’. The band recorded with producer Martin Hannett at Cargo Recording Studios, Rochdale, Lancashire. They contributed two tracks, ‘Digital’ and ‘Glass’, to the EP. Joy Division then joined Factory's roster, with Gretton becoming a partner in the label to represent Joy Division’s interests. On 27 December, during the drive home from a gig in London, Curtis suffered his first recognised severe epileptic seizure and was hospitalised. He recovered in time to record a session for BBC Radio 1 DJ John Peel in January 1979. In April 1979, Joy Division recorded their debut album ‘Unknown Pleasures’ at Strawberry Studios, Stockport, with Hannett again on production. Factory Records released the album in June 1979. The band performed on ‘What’s On’ the following month and made their only national TV appearance on BBC 2’s ‘Something Else’ in September 1979. From October 1979, they joined Buzzcocks on their UK tour. This allowed the band members to quit their regular jobs and become full time musicians. Joy Division is known for not releasing album tracks as singles. The band’s debut single was the track ‘Transmission’, released in November 1979. In January 1980, Joy Division toured Europe. The gig at Kant Kino in Berlin inspired the track ‘Komakino’, which Factory later gave away as a 7-inch flexi-disk in June 1980. Before that, in March 1980 Joy Division recorded their second album, ‘Closer’, at Pink Floyd’s Britannia Row studio in London. Hannett was the record’s producer. The same month they released two tracks recorded as part of the ‘Closer’ sessions, ‘Atmosphere’ and ‘Dead Souls’, as an art package called ‘Licht und Blindheit’ through the independent French record label Sordide Sentimental. Curtis’s health deteriorated during the recording of ‘Closer’. Depressed about the restrictions his epilepsy placed on his ability to perform live, he made his first suicide attempt in April 1980. The band was due to tour the USA in May 1980, to promote ‘Closer’. Curtis’s death by suicide the evening before the band was due to fly over to the USA prevented the tour taking place. In June 1980, Factory Records released Joy Division’s final single, ‘Love Will Tear Us Apart’. The following month, the label released ‘Closer’. Following Curtis’s death, the remaining members of Joy Division re-formed as New Order.
- Sumner, BernardBiographyBiographyBernard Sumner was born in Salford in 1956. He is a singer, songwriter, musician and record producer, best known for being a founder member of the bands Joy Division and New Order. Sumner was inspired to form Joy Division with his childhood friend Peter Hook in 1976, after seeing the Sex Pistols perform at Manchester’s Lesser Free Trade Hall. Sumner was the guitarist, keyboard player and occasional vocalist with Joy Division until the death by suicide of singer Ian Curtis in May 1980. Following the end of Joy Division, Sumner and the other remaining band members Peter Hook and Stephen Morris formed the band New Order. Sumner became the singer in the band. In 1989, while New Order were on hiatus, Sumner formed the band Electronic with former Smiths guitarist Johnny Marr. Sumner released three albums as a member of Electronic between 1991 and 1999. In 2009, following a second break for New Order, Sumner formed the band Bad Lieutenant with fellow New Order member and guitarist Phil Cunningham and guitarist and keyboard player Jake Evans. Sumner has recorded with other musicians including Primal Scream, The Chemical Brothers, 808 State and Sub Sub. He has produced remixes of other artists’ tracks, including A Certain Ratio and Technotronic. Sumner has also produced records for fellow Factory Records artists including Happy Mondays, 52nd Street and Section 25.
- Hannett, MartinBiographyBiographyMartin Hannett was born in Manchester in 1948. He attended Roman Catholic primary and secondary schools in Manchester before studying chemistry as an undergraduate at the University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology (UMIST). He graduated in 1970 and took a job in a science laboratory. He left his job in the early 1970s to set up the musicians’ collective Music Force in Manchester with Tosh Ryan, Bruce Mitchell and others on the Manchester music scene. At Music Force, Hannett booked venues, arranged equipment hire and organised fly posting of gig promotion posters. Hannett became a musician, playing bass guitar and joining the band Paradox in 1973. He also began working as a sound mixer at gigs around Manchester. Hannett moved into record production in the early 1970s. His first jobs as a producer included the soundtrack to the animation film “All Kinds of Heroes” and the 1975 self-titled album by the Belt and Braces Roadshow Band. Hannett made a name for himself as Martin Zero when he produced the Buzzcocks’ “Spiral Scratch” EP in 1977. As Martin Zero, Hannett also produced recordings by the poet John Cooper Clarke and by the comedy artist Jilted John. With money made running Music Force, Hannett and Ryan set up the independent record label Rabid Records. The label released the debut single by Slaughter and the Dogs, which Hannett also produced. Between 1978 and 1980, Hannett was most associated as a producer with the recordings of the band Joy Division. Hannett produced Joy Division’s first recordings for Factory Records, the tracks “Digital” and “Glass” which appeared on FAC 2 A Factory Sample. His involvement with Joy Division led to him becoming a partner in Factory Records. He produced the majority of the releases on Factory, but left the company in 1982, following a legal case brought by Hannett against Factory Records. He returned on a freelance basis in 1988 to produce the debut album by the band Happy Mondays. Hannett was known for his use of pioneering digital sound recording equipment, including the AMS 15-80 digital delay, the Marshall time modulator, and early synthesisers such as the Powertran Transcendent 2000 and the ARP Omni. He is associated with the 24 track recording facility at Strawberry Studios in Stockport, which included state of the art Westlake studio equipment, and also with the 16 track Cargo Studios in Rochdale. Hannett was a habitual drug user throughout his life. His drug and alcohol consumption is believed to have contributed to his death from heart failure in 1991.
- Curtis, DeborahBiographyBiographyDeborah Curtis is a writer known for her autobiography "Touching from a Distance", about her marriage to Joy Division singer Ian Curtis. She was born Deborah Woodruff in 1957 and married Curtis in 1975. She was married to Curtis until his death by suicide in 1980. During the period of their marriage she was known as Debbie Curtis. Deborah Curtis also collaborated with the journalist Jon Savage on a publication that reproduced her late husband's handwritten lyrics and notebooks from the period he was in Joy Division. She now prefers to be known by her birth name Deborah Woodruff.
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